Mage Armor Mods Skyrim
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I played a mage when Skyrim was first released (so I played un-modded) but haven't touched it for a few months now, so with the release of the Unofficial Skyrim Patch and version 1.5 sometime soon I was thinking of getting back into it. I am using the Midas Magic and Balanced Magic mods for my mage.
The Phenderix is a little much for me. As far as Midas Magic being abandoned he just updated the mod 8 days ago and has more plans to include new spells so it sounds like that is just a rumor. It has some really cool spells but a couple are overpowered and he is planning to fix that. The Balanced Magic is really helpful because the leveling for mages leaves a lot to be desired. Hope this helps.Posts: 3391 Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 7:17 am.
I started off with Better Magic, but I've moved on to Balanced Magic. While I really like Better Magic's improved finishers and changes to master spells, Balanced Magic addresses deeper and more fundamental gameplay problems with the vanilla magic system. It makes Wards viable and useful from level 1 while balancing them with reactive magicka cost. It expands the number of viable magic school combinations while retaining balance from a game-wide perspective. It adds back in several missing spells and effects from prior TES. And most importantly, it rebalances over and under powered aspects of magic in a way that de-trivializes vanilla gameplay and creates more choice and variation in gameplay and tactics.Posts: 3378 Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:47 am. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the overhaul/rebalancing mods.
There are several of them out there when it comes to the magic system and they are fairly popular, so obviously a lot of people seem to think that the vanilla magic system isn't very well designed, but I think the vanilla design works quite well. I've tried a few of the 'better balanced' mods. You gotta love cocky mod titles which claim to be 'better' than what Bethesda designed.
If it's really 'better' as opposed to 'different', then maybe that modder should be a professional game designer? Anyway, those mods always end up making my character feel overpowered, and big overhauls that change things like perks, character progression, damage calculations, etc., can very easily make for an unstable game.My preference is to stick to the vanilla magic system and simply add spells that sound interesting to me. You end up with a more stable game, you don't have to worry about your game saves getting corrupted, and you don't need to worry about compatibility issues with other mods. Midas Magic is fun to play with, but way over the top for me to be a permanent addition to my mod list.
I think my favorite 'pack of new spells' mod is Most of the spells are useful, fun, and not overpowered.The great thing about sticking to mods that simply add additional spells, is that if you don't like them you can simply remove them later and not worry about corrupting your saves.Posts: 3359 Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:34 pm. Soon I'll be releasing just the extra spells of Improved Magic so you can use them with any other rebalancing mod you like.This guy makes the best magic rebalancing mod I think.Without shame I'd like to highlight my own mod 'More Monk Robes & Hoods', gives you a few more choices in terms of outfits suitable for a mageHowever the most essential mod for mages is in my opinion It requires SKSE but it makes changing spells and other equipment go from a major pain in the @ss to a breeze.Posts: 3448 Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:50 pm. Most of the issues with the current magic system stem from the need to stack -% magicka cost enchantments, the stupidly-broken Impact perk, the lack of Destruction scaling and the lack of spells other than the bread-and-butter fireballs and shields. Fact is, most mages who rely on Destruction for offense and Alteration for defense are required to kite like crazy, potion spam and Impact shenanigans. There wasn't much issue with this in Morrowind and Oblivion because of Spellmaking, but with the lack of spellmaking and static damage, mages do feel like they've been shafted.Personally, I like my mages to be powerful without resorting to infinite peashooter status.Posts: 3286 Joined: Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:03 am.
Most of the issues with the current magic system stem from the need to stack -% magicka cost enchantments, the stupidly-broken Impact perk, the lack of Destruction scaling and the lack of spells other than the bread-and-butter fireballs and shields. Fact is, most mages who rely on Destruction for offense and Alteration for defense are required to kite like crazy, potion spam and Impact shenanigans. There wasn't much issue with this in Morrowind and Oblivion because of Spellmaking, but with the lack of spellmaking and static damage, mages do feel like they've been shafted.Personally, I like my mages to be powerful without resorting to infinite peashooter status.Well said. The vanilla magic system does have nice features, but it is not balanced at all. But that is almost expected. Bethesda is not known for creating well balanced games or even for thier broad visionary designs.
They are known for creating beautiful canvasses and then giving thier customers the tools to redesign and expand on the basic structure. The prior poster who was touting the vanilla system should realize that nearly all of the best new features of vanilla skyrim are based on community developed mods from Oblivion. This is why Bethesda gives modders the tools to change the game: they are a free resource of creativity, skill, and labor that can be dynamically appraised by their target audience. It's a win-win-win situation. Well, except the modders are only compensated with praise and experience. They should at least be getting 'inten' type education credit.Posts: 3345 Joined: Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:53 pm.
The vanilla magic system does have nice features, but it is not balanced at all. But that is almost expected. Bethesda is not known for creating well balanced games or even for thier broad visionary designs. They are known for creating beautiful canvasses and then giving thier customers the tools to redesign and expand on the basic structure. The prior poster who was touting the vanilla system should realize that nearly all of the best new features of vanilla skyrim are based on community developed mods from Oblivion. This is why Bethesda gives modders the tools to change the game: they are a free resource of creativity, skill, and labor that can be dynamically appraised by their target audience. It's a win-win-win situation.
Well, except the modders are only compensated with praise and experience. They should at least be getting 'inten' type education credit.I'm interested, from a design perspective, in what your definitions of 'balanced' are. First, let me stress that we are all talking about preferences here. Everyone has their own way they like to play the game. And whatever is right for you, more power to you. I'm not complaining about people wanting to change the vanilla magic system, or people doing whatever they want to make the game better suit their personal enjoyment.
I'm interested in challenging what some of you express as objective concepts of 'balanced' or 'broken' mechanics.Balance, is obviously a concept of equilibrium. I do not think a literal design of equilibrium would be very popular however. Imagine if everything were in perfect balance. Swords did the exact same balance as maces, spells, arrows, etc. All armor was the same. NPC's had the same amount of health, magicka, skills, perks, equipment, etc. I don't think it anyone would enjoy this kind of approach very much.When people use the word 'balanced' on here, I don't think most people are talking literally about the concept of equilibrium.
I think most people are talking about achieving a level of variety in game play, where any particular strategy (stealth, destruction, sword + shield, archery, etc.) for combat feels as viable as any other, so that you don't feel like you are being cheated out of a powerful character unless you use the strategy that is significantly the most powerful. But this is a subjective concept, not objective in my opinion.When it comes to magic, everyone wants the same basic things: to have their character feel 'powerful' (you are someone special), while still feeling like some NPC's are a challenge for you in combat, instead of feeling like a god walking the surface of Nirn.For the people who think that the only viable build for a destruction mage is to abuse the Impact perk, what difficulty level are you playing on? This has not been my experience at all.
My first playthough as a destruction mage, I didn't even get the impact perk until around level 30 simply because I didn't realize how powerful it is. I wasn't even abusing the dual-casting perk nearly as much as I could have been. But I still seemed to do fine on the default difficult level.
I wasn't using any special tricks either. I didn't need to drink 10 potions every battle or anything.
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I only used potions/scrolls when I was fighting a tough NPC. But most encounters was simply a destruction spell in one hand and restoration in the other, and I did fine.Yes, the impact perk gives you a huge advantage. But this is the kind of thing that separates a fully-commited mage build to a 'battle mage' that uses one hand for a weapon or shield. I expect the full mage to be able to do powerful things that the battle mage cannot. And as to whether you defeat a tough enemy by casting 50 small spells while healing yourself, casting 3 very powerful spells while trying to stay alive during the process, or 'stun locking' the NPC over time and refilling your magicka when it gets low with potions, they are simply different ways of getting the same job done. In every case you are doing the same thing: 'outputting damage with magic, while managing your health and magicka resources so you can stay alive and keep casting spells'. And you can approach it however you want in vanilla skyrim.
I don't see it as objectively 'imbalanced' that this stun locking approach exists as an alternative to 'cast a ton of spells to damage and heal yourself back up over time', especially when you aren't forced down either path in any way.Ziljan commented that I need to 'realize the majority of all new features of Skyrim are the result of work by modders'. I know of a few mods that we know for sure did inspire some of the changes to Skyrim (Duke Patrick's archery mod for example). But 'most' of the changes were because of modders? That sounds exaggerated at best. How do you know for sure? You can't simply assume that just because a mod existed prior to Skyrim which is very similar to a new feature introduced by Skyrim that there is direct causation there. There are hundreds and thousands of mods out there for Bethesda's games.
How would you know that Bethesda hadn't already internally considered and prototyped some of those ideas even before the original mods came out, and that Bethesda simply decided not to included it in the final game for various reasons? Only Bethesda knows these things. And while I have no doubt that mods have inspired their game design more than once over the years, I highly doubt there process of developing a new game is simply to evaluate the most popular mods for their previous game, implement them in the new game, and call it a day, which is what your comment makes it seem like. But furthermore, who cares? I don't care if a game mechanic was inspired by a mod or was an original idea by the Bethesda team.
I'm talking about whether Skyrim as released by Bethesda, no matter what inspired features of that release, is inherently 'broken' or not. I don't think it is broken, and if it were, I'd be surprised to see it win so many GoTY awards, sell so many copies, and become a pop-culture phenomenon of the video game world.Anyway, I'm not trying to discredit modders, or claim that changing the game from the way Bethesda made it is wrong or bad in some way. Do what you want with the game. I'm not trying to start a war here.
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Whatever makes you happy. I simply disagree with the popular sentiment that large portions of the game are broken, imbalanced, or poorly designed, like the magic system. Millions of people are playing that version on their XBOX without any mods and able to play through the game just fine. I think what happens is that every modder wants to believe that their changes have made the game 'better', when in reality it's just 'different' and appeals to some people more than others. I try a lot of these mods out myself, only to remove them again a few days later due to things that may have sounded good on paper, but turned out to be not so great after playing it for a while.I just see it as a bit of an insult to Bethesda when they say 'my mod fixes the broken, imbalanced magic system'. It sounds arrogant and insulting, and in my experience, those mods have made my game worse, not better.Posts: 3309 Joined: Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:22 pm.
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I primarily play mages, and I'm currently using All in One Spell Fixes that corrects game errors like absorbing your own summonses, etc. Better Magic for a more logical progression for how mages increase in power as they level. Ancient Spells - Morrowind and Oblivion (although kinda looking for something to replace this with) for the return if a lot of old spells from previous TES games. Bound Weapon Damage Scales with Conjuration (that's the name of the Mod) self explanatory. And Conjure Rideable Ethereal Horse (because it's way more convenient.)Using the Catagorized Favorites Menu Mod is virtually essential for any magic focused character, and I use a customized configuration file with this one called Caster Config Catagorized Favorites Menu (you'd need both). Couldn't imagine playing without this mod.I've been tempted by Midas Magic, but I don't know that I could resist the OP spells, so staying away for now.And since I also use Realstic Lighting which makes dungeons and night time much darker, I'm also using Warmer Magic Lights mod along with Candlelight toggle mod (both are great).Posts: 3505 Joined: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:40 am. I primarily play mages, and I'm currently using All in One Spell Fixes that corrects game errors like absorbing your own summonses, etc.
Better Magic for a more logical progression for how mages increase in power as they level. Ancient Spells - Morrowind and Oblivion (although kinda looking for something to replace this with) for the return if a lot of old spells from previous TES games. Bound Weapon Damage Scales with Conjuration (that's the name of the Mod) self explanatory. And Conjure Rideable Ethereal Horse (because it's way more convenient.)Using the Catagorized Favorites Menu Mod is virtually essential for any magic focused character, and I use a customized configuration file with this one called Caster Config Catagorized Favorites Menu (you'd need both).
Couldn't imagine playing without this mod.I've been tempted by Midas Magic, but I don't know that I could resist the OP spells, so staying away for now.And since I also use Realstic Lighting which makes dungeons and night time much darker, I'm also using Warmer Magic Lights mod along with Candlelight toggle mod (both are great).I forgot to mention the All in One Spell fixes. That is a necessity in my opinion. I haven't checked out the Bound Weapon scaling mod yet but since I am playing a pure mage and only use bound weapons this playthrough I am going to give that a try. Thanks for the info. And the Midas Magic is really cool but it is tempting sometimes to use the OP spells. You could just get the other spells that are reasonably powered and not learn the overpowered ones to help with the temptation. Just a thought.Posts: 3487 Joined: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:00 pm.
I may be too late to help, but my last playthrough (admittedly a couple months ago) was as a mage, and the only magic mod I used was this:was.perfect. for my taste. A really light touch - almost an unnoticeable change, I actually forgot I was playing with it for a while there - but it made my mage really viable on Expert difficulty. Not overpowered, just not underpowered.Posts: 3365 Joined: Sun May 27, 2007 5:27 pmDisplay posts from previous: Sort.